So that idea of accountability, like there is a role for institutions like the church. Politico obtained a purported majority opinion draft of the Supreme Court showing that the court is poised to overturn the 1973 landmark decision Roe v. Wade which legalizes abortions in all states up to the point of fetal viability24-28 weeks gestation. One of the defendants wrote a book about it. I mean, so the German American Bund is --. And I just go, "This is what its like to go on vacation.". (L-R) Alex Wagner and Rachel Maddow Patrick Randak/MSNBC/Getty Images. I was burning myself out physically and mentally in a way that meant that I was not going to be able to keep doing this for very long. Are you Dorothy Thompson or Drew Pearson, one of these nationally syndicated, incredibly powerful journalists who has to decide where youre going to train your fire power? I mean, theres a role to play for all these different kinds of Americans who bring their whole civic selves to this fight. Chris Hayes: We should talk about, since its mentioned, the title is "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," and maybe we should talk a little bit of Coughlin because he is a key figure. And I have, I feel it emotionally, right, that like the criminal justice system should be able to sort this out and issue some definitive declaration about what is and isnt in bounds, what is and is not a transgression. But on the sedition front, I said something about this on the air the other night, Im not sure it made sense to anybody who hasnt been thinking about this as intensely as I have. Chris Hayes: You know, so there are these attempts that fail where its like, no, you cant do that. And they were acquitted. And he sort of leaves the clan and forms a successor organization, and then joins with all these American fascists, including those who are in touch with Hitlers government, to create a plan to build an American fascist, to create an American violent fascist to overthrow here. Chris Hayes is an American political commentator, journalist, podcaster, producer, and author who has a net worth of $6 million. Chris Hayes: -- because its like at some level the comforting story to tell ourselves is that Coughlin is the kind of key instrument or whoever today. They have their first daughter named Ryan Elizabeth Shaw-Hayes born in November 2011. Sour Patch Lyds (@sourpatchlyds) October 5, 2022. Chris Hayes: And they like to hear fascist rhetoric. As Hayes wrapped up his 8:00 p.m. show, he passed the baton to his 9:00 p.m. successor, who then immediately alluded to an earlier conversation the pair had earlier in the day. Why Is This Happening? is presented by MSNBC and NBC News, produced by Doni Holloway and Brendan O'Melia, engineered by Bob Mallory and features music by Eddie Cooper. I'm in Rachel's head, and I'm in her world." Rachel Maddow: -- like, that night, and was coming back. A joke kills, they keep it. Rachel Maddow: Really not clear that youre going to be able to get against the Oath Keepers? As its afternoon shows hosted by Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid are canceled due to poor ratings, MSNBC is reportedly planning to replace Chris Hayes with Rachel Maddow. They do that over and over in the workrooms and the app gets better and better and tighter and tighter, and the really good ones come up with something amazing that they could show up at any room across the country and kill. Chris Hayes: -- and it's funny, too, because I've been thinking about this as I'm listening to your "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," I'm thinking about, you know, the Russians, who have an incredibly profound mythology around World War II, justified by the fact that they lost more lives than anyone in --, Chris Hayes: -- defeating Hitler's army. And so, deciding that we won in the war --, Rachel Maddow: -- and, therefore, that vanquished --, Rachel Maddow: And all Americans came around --. It is a fascist myth to believe that you need a strong man to lead a fascist movement where you need is people who have an appetite. The subject of the. You take the base average the number of viewers who tune in at a specific time slot, no matter the host then measure whether a particular host raises, drops or maintains that average.. For example, The Rachel Maddow Show averaged 2.6 million in 2021 at 9 pm. Chris Hayes, Washington editor for the Nation, is sitting in for Rachel Maddow tonight. Rachel Maddow: -- form fascist organizations even. Some were acquitted, the rest were off in a mistrial. You also agree to our. D, ask your local clergymen to preach sermons on tolerance. Rachel printed it out from a digital archive for me because the first part of it is all about the anti-semitic menacing that fascist groups were doing in the Bronx in the late 1930s, he wrote. And so, what we end up with is the Justice Department, not stumbling onto but discovering the contours of this plot by the Hitler government to use members of Congress to distribute Nazi propaganda in quantity to the American public. Chris Hayes: -- transparent work product in the world. Chris Hayes: -- senator from Minnesota. Thats a very compelling story. And I ended up in the weird part of American Republican Party politics where they were against the Nuremberg trials. The Trump Archive, launched in January 2017, was the first such collection.. He always deliberately keeps his show going one or two minutes into her time slot. Chris Hayes: -- like, how is the new life of one night a week of "The Rachel Maddow Show"? And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. Its really --. How are you going to take this very distinct, particular, you know, I think generational ability to tell stories in other fashions and forms and genres. ", Rich Polk / Getty Images for Politicon; Scott Olson / Getty Images. MSNBC pundit Rachel Maddow recently announced that her partner Susan Mikula tested positive for COVID-19 . So I'm glad that history is written, but there's another way to write this history rather than just saying, oh, these poor defendants, they never should have been put on trial. Is that a history about Hitler? Last week, Maddow confirmed reports that she planned. ", Chris Hayes: Like, a round of applause for this, like --, Chris Hayes: -- please, yes. To be like, "Thank you. Is that a story about American fascism? And the next thing they sent him to do was the Christian Front trial --. Chris Hayes: With an actual, like, handler, like a Nazi handler --. Well, then who are the Jewish bankers, right? Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow don't really get along, do they? It's like, well, I have an 18-month and they're up all night, so I'm tired all the time. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible anti-fascist pamphlet put together by an American christian minister to counter the work of the Christian Front fascist gang, he tweeted. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. I can keep doing what I'm doing. Rachel Maddow: Weve got fascist antisemitic thugs who are echoing the Hitler line. And I want them to tell that story. Rachel Maddow: Tom Barrack, literally on trial right now --. I mean, you can't have people who are afraid to tell you no, you can't. Chris Hayes: Pearl Harbor happens, the war happens. Rachel Maddow: Yeah, yeah, and then he got a five-year prison sentence. Chris Hayes: But when youre dealing with something this existential and this core to both the life blood of what liberal democracy is that that system may not be that well-equipped to do it. Rachel Maddow: I think we are capable of generating them. Rachel printed it out from a digital archive for me because the first part of it is all about the anti-semitic menacing that fascist groups were doing in the Bronx in the late 1930s. Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2022. You know, are you the bishop who asked to decide what to do about Coughlin? You could do the whole thing on, you know, the German agents who were getting the Lindberghs and the other --. Rachel Maddow: -- your story and learn it. So there's a little bit of like heartbreak and joy that came when Rachel said that she was going to step away from "The Daily Show" and have "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Monday nights. These are ones we are paying, and he publishes it and gets fired from the Justice Department for doing it. Rachel Maddow: I just took this long-haul train trip with my family as our family vacation. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. Rachel Maddow: I mean, is that a story about the limitations to the critical law? Theyre only being persecuted now as payback for all the evil things they have done, social justice. Chris Hayes: I knew a little bit about the Nuremberg controversy, or not really a controversy but people that objected to Nuremberg. Chris Hayes: Well, and it also, I mean, the obvious resonance is here with the current day. Rachel Maddow: -- isolationists to move in, right? But they expected to go forward with this armed effort to stop the transfer of power in the United States. And who did FDR fear more than any other rising leader in the United States was Huey Long. So Charles Coughlin, I think everybodys heard of him. 11, and Hayes' show is coming in . Chris Hayes: As I've been listening to this, I've been thinking about just the rupture that happens with Pearl Harbor. The historical, narrative style pod could hardly be more relevant, as the plot revolves around a sedition trial quite similar to the ongoing Oath Keepers one. And the demand, I am very obsessed in the notion of like the demand side for fascism as opposed to supply side --. "Rachel Maddow, you've got some explaining to do," Ball said, but Maddow hasn't stopped anti-Trump speculation. Yeah, it's about titrating that stuff. His father-in-law is veteran Chicago reporter Andy Shaw. MSNBC hosts Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes warned Monday that overturning Roe v. Wade will lead to "South America style" abortion bans. What more can we say? Eleanor Roosevelt is writing a newspaper column, at the time, as first lady. Rachel Maddow: His reach in terms of his market penetration and his radicalism cannot be overstated. Rachel Maddow: A bad guy needing to be opposed by force to save you, your family and all that you hold dear. So when Doni, our producer who's here, you guys are very closely held with the details of this, which made sense. Huey Long, of course, was assassinated, which is what put an end to his political career. Rachel Maddow: Dont tell anybody though. bookmark NEWS SHOW access_time 11/21/2022 person Mod chat_bubble 0. January 17th, 80 years to the day earlier, January 17th, 1940, the front-page story in every newspaper in the country is about the arrest of 17 members of the Christian Front militia. Discover will be the first credit card company to use a new merchant identification code that will show purchases made at gun stores. And theres people who have done better scholarship on Coughlin that I can even sum up here, let alone try to ape. So I took out the name of the senator's secretary after leaving it in for all the other drafts. And so you're focused on that name. Its hard. Um Why is there a swastika behind you on the desk, Chris? Rachel Maddow: Yeah. He hates the bankers, which then, you know, one notch past that, right? It kind of worked and he kind of broke it up. "Chris is always good he deserves a much bigger national reputation. So having her name --. All sorts of other efforts against those forces did work. Rachel Maddow: -- you are smart, and you can travel this path with me, but we will both start with this first step. Chris Hayes: I told her she's going to hate that (ph), but it is true. And I was like were on the Huey Long Bridge, lets play some Huey Long. That was 1940, and then by 1941, we were in World War II, and we moved on. And I want to learn your sort of lessons about how to live in the face of these kinds of threats. By Juli Weiner. pic.twitter.com/h6uNdmCT2q, Aldous Huxleys Ghost (@AF632) October 5, 2022, TexZeus (@vinnieoftexas_) October 4, 2022. Update 2:45 p.m. PT: TheWrap spoke with Chris Hayes, newly named weekend MSNBC host, on Monday about his new show, TV mentor Rachel Maddow and the impossibility of covering the debt crisis.. Hes the ultimate example of that kind of --, Rachel Maddow: Yes. Where is the threat to walk out, to boycott, to stand on principle, by Rachel Maddow? The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. I was really interested in some of the sort of deep, radical right, ultra-right stuff that was happening in the country in the post-World War II era leading into the Reagan era. Mark Henle - The Arizona Republic - Pool / AP, Richard Pohle - Pool - AFP / Getty Images, @bennyjohnson / Twitter screen shot; Kamil Krzaczynski / Getty Images, Svet foto / Shutterstock; @FoxNews / Twitter. Dog whistle, much? So that part of it, like, what have you learned from that storytelling process that you bring over now? A joke dies, they cut it. Rachel Maddow: -- to distribute German government propaganda in the United States through the U.S. Congress and through the United States Senate. Maddow joins WITHpod to discuss what shes been up to, how she found the story thats told in her new podcast, the editorial and creative process that has followed and more. "Chris has done an amazing job creating a franchise on weekend mornings," said Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC. MSNBC's Chris Hayes Posts Photo with Rachel Maddow, Then Users Notice Symbol Next to Them By Jack Davis October 6, 2022 at 8:34am The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. Chris Hayes: Exactly. And as such, your failed plot is a failed plot and can be minimized as unserious --, Rachel Maddow: -- and unthreatening. Chris Hayes: But, like, where everyone was on Hitler and Nazis in '39, '40s, I guess, what I'm saying, is like a very different thing than where everyone is on Hitler and Nazis in '44. Twitter users who were interested in inspecting the books that formed the backdrop to the photo noticed that when they magnified the picture, a document with a swastika on its cover was visible near Hayess right hip. Hey, mom, yeah, but I did. Rachel Maddow: But also, power corrupts, right? The Rachel Maddow Show - 11/21/22. That's actually a great primary source for this work because he reproduces all of the statements from the trial, that are hard to get from the multi-thousand-page transcript of the trial now, simply because he wants to rebut them in his book. Why is he so upset? One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Rachel Maddow joins Chris Hayes to talk about her new podcast, how we can use history to make sense of current events, what it's like to be covering the news in this political moment. Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 4, 2022. And that, to me, is energizing and exciting, and it opens up all these other lines of inquiry, like, one of the things Charles Gallagher writes about in his book is this character Francis Sweeney who tragically dies very young, who played this incredibly intrepid role in exposing the Christian Front in Boston, which was taking funding from the Hitler government, which was showing German military propaganda movies, which was running pogrom-style violence against Boston Jews. This guy, Babe Ruth, comes along, starts out as a pitcher, goes over to hitting. Rachel Maddow: You can express them, and you can --. Rachel Maddow: Yeah, hes a great interview --, Rachel Maddow: -- but its a great book. Court actions do not work against this seditious plot involving members of Congress in the Hitler government. That's how FARA, which is now, like, having this new rebirth in the Trump era. Politics, Foreign Policy, Military & Defense Issues. Rachel Maddow: And we are not going to fight them with knives. He served like nine months, wrote Mein Kampf --, Rachel Maddow: -- perfected his ideas of propaganda as being the way to not just seize power but hold power, came out, took him 10 years, and within --. Chris Hayes: Yeah, you do get him in, again, the kind of inter-warriors 101 --, Rachel Maddow: And also, you get him when people are sort of hyperbolically criticizing right-wing media, right? Chris Hayes: Well, the thing I was going to say is its hard for good reasons, too, which gets this point of like what liberal democracy is and why we cherish it. So to me, that's like the thing that I feel like I brought to this job that I've tried to hold on to and tried to build on, which is people are capable of absorbing any level of complexity and even obscurity if you do the work to get them there. Why Is This Happening? is presented by MSNBC and NBC News, produced by Doni Holloway and Brendan O'Melia, engineered by Bob Mallory, features music by Eddie Cooper. Chris Hayes: So the broad contours of this, and again they're individual stories and I want to keep that narrative suspense --, Chris Hayes: -- is about essentially, like, fascist sympathies in the United States in the run-up to World War II. It was stopped when the FBI arrested these perpetrators on January 17th, right. All Rights Reserved. Culture Rachel Maddow Coronavirus MSNBC TV. Chris Hayes: Do you think we have the right antibodies now? Similarly, with the great sedition trial in 1944, which is sort of amazing that they brought it in 1944 --, Chris Hayes: Right, yes, right, right, right --, Rachel Maddow: -- given what happened in 1940 when they tried it against the Christian Front, that trial has gone down in history as a failure or as a sideshow or, in some cases, as a debacle because it wasn't a successful prosecution. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. It's about a story that I had never heard before which, for me, is like I know a lot of American history. I'm not pulling this from memory. Hayes is happily married to Kate Shaw, and they are blessed with . I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. Rachel Maddow: That's why I'm always up after midnight working on this stuff. January 17th is when they got arrested. But this highly. Rachel Maddow: I know, but its a speech about the Jews, about the evil --, Rachel Maddow: -- of the Jews. And I was just like, OK, well. Chris Hayes: Hes just a guy (ph), like --. And that was part of what was hard about drafting the podcast because you could do the whole thing on Coughlin and the Christian Front, right? But compartmentalization is important so that you can work this intensely. blend together . Chris Hayes discusses All In and recent politics. Rachel Maddow: -- stockpiling bombs and detailed plans. I'm happy to read it. Rachel Maddow: You would not be on trial. 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