And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' Such memories are happy and hard. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. They would go to Pennsylvania to . Zachary didn't seem like. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. And that was midafternoon. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. He was developing a personality. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. I can understand that. Lifes ability to hand us the unbearable is matched only by the ability of the human spirit to somehow handle it. We're churning. For the second time, the Bagbys were left stunned at the leniency of the courts. He and his wife also participated in a. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. to reconsider getting some help with that. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. Very, very serious. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? Please try again. quiet. Now, she sucked us in here, too. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' Snow. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? He said, `What can happen?'. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. Change is slow. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. Help contribute to IMDb. You know? What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. Father murdered. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. We don't--we don't gush very much. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. After trying to make things work for a while, the pair realized they wouldn't be able to overcome all the negativity and obstacles that developed in their relationship after their time onTemptation Island. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. Was she lying? Cpl. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. She, floored by grief. Highly recommended. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. Oh, my. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. He was such a good baby. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. ', KATE: He's so loved. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Is it OK? The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. I had a husband I loved. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Do you understand? However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. I was truly shocked when I watched it. It soon became apparent who was responsible. The night was. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). The Bagbys are extraordinary people. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. We. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? I think about the Bagby family all the time. And thus the decision from which all else followed. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. There was a problem loading your book clubs. Serious crime is rare in this country. then one day I realized what it was. You can't tell them this over the phone. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. That one comes back a lot. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. And he was beautiful, Kate says. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? They could check cell towers then, but only manually. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. David reacted with anger. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. He, consumed by anger. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. Did. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. You can, just--there's nothing. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. And we were going to be his savior.. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. I mean, she. This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. I tried to console them, Snow says. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. "This was our goal," said Bagby. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Cpl. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. Right? Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. I only live a block away.' Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. the water. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. And that always radiated through the house.. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. Cpl. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. First she killed Andrew Bagby. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. I sat there. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. He was jolly.. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. By Mike Cassidy | Bay Area News Group. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. I had this overwhelming feeling. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. And that little boy. A tale of sorrow and survival. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. 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