If you have a heart monitor that states your dead, but your talking the first thing a good practitioner will do is swap out the sensor before pronouncing you dead. its always on country lanes or motorway, never in the city, always on light gasim out of ideas, please could you through some of them? Justin, The catalytic converter aids the conversion of these. WebCatalytic Converter Part Number: 44102FE040 Exhaust Pipe Center. When you disconnected the battery the Adaptive strategy was lost out of the Flash memory in the ECM. It is a 2010 Forester none turbo. Your Subaru Forester leaves the factory with a catalytic converter. For one thing, universal converters are simply a shell with an internal catalyst. In fact, the local Subaru dealership sends many of their customers with P0420s to this shop because of the outrageous costs for the catalytic converters on Canadian Subarus (only 2 converters on Outbacks found in Canada, $2600 and $1300 for the two cats). If the catalytic converter efficiency degrades beyond an acceptable level, your vehicle may be releasing air pollutants that Very good advice on P0420. If you used a cheaper Aftermarket Catalytic convertor than yes its most likely already failed, we generally see the aftermarket Catalytic convertors last a year or so if its under warranty than yes have it replaced if it fails the tests I have outlined in the Article. Ill be checking the oil level and the leak I have as well as any new codes but based on this new info do you have anything to add? Campbell began his professional writing career in 2004 with the publication of his first book. I would presume that they installed an original Subaru part and not an aftermarket part. There is a more accurate way to check if the catalytic converter is clogged in your Subaru Outback. Really cant speculate on whats the matter, its possible the booster is failing but that would be very uncommon. Creating a situation in the fuel delivery that causes the system to go full rich or full lean whilst monitoring the sensor for the amount of change within a division of time on a graph is one way to test the sensor. We at the shop will often do induction services with new sensors followed by driving instructions, Id say it helps 30 percent of the carbon coated convertors if I had to put a number on it. The first time this happened, I took it back to the shop that replaced the wheel bearings and they found that the speed sensor on one of the wheels had been damaged during wheel bearing replacement and they replaced that speed sensor. Hi Justin, Justin, thanks for sharing your expertise on this site. There was some sort of a condition that actually needed to be diagnosed and driving it like that did not do the Catalyst any favors. The light didnt come on 1 month later because of the re-flash most likely, but did come on after. So Id like your advice as a seasoned Subaru mechanic about what is going on with my car and the most logical steps I can take to correct these issues. Is it possible that the higher operating temperatures from driving the car at high rpms and being driven at highway speed, somewhat cleaned out the cats and brought them back within the specifications of the ECU? $3400 sounds excessive unless its a H6, or rust is an issue? 80k is still very low mileage for a Subaru and its got a lot of life left in it. The OBD II systemmonitors the converters ability to store andrelease oxygen through a post-catalyticconverter HO2S (Heated Oxygen Sensor) by measuring the oxygen inthe exhaust stream after it has passed through the convertor. Anyone heard of this? My long time mechanic said it was now the p0402 code and replaced the o2 sensor. I see comments about an ECM reflash. Well, the light came on again maybe in mid January. We review every problem as we work to keep our roads safe. When I purchased my 05 Outback 2 years ago (then 125k, now 144k) the CEL was already on with an error code specific to the front O2 sensor (P0051 I think?). I wish you would have purchased the gaskets from us, the brand you mentioned is just not a good option for Subaru and may in fact not be sealing. I really appreciate your help! Will this pass inspection or is the history still in the memory? environment. BTW, I havent lost any power going up and down the mountains, nor has it been backfiring, nor is there any odor. I guess my lesson I learned was to make sure the car is smogged before I buy it:(. The car drives very well, there is no smell from the converter. Toggle navigation. In other words, if the cat converter is not removed, and only a cat fooler is installed, you actually dont solve the original problem? so you think just go for a test will the cat light ofF? Like yourself I decided to live with it since it wasnt imparing my driving. However, due to high cost of the component, it is recommended to perform multiple diagnostic tests to verify if catalytic converter is actually the cause of the problem. A clogged catalytic converter essentially "suffocates" the engine, preventing it from "exhaling" the exhaust. Wasnt like he was trying to take my money. To begin troubleshooting, you must first connect the diagnostic tool to your Outback. So the first thing that needs to be done is someone familiar with Subaru needs to get to the bottom of the symptoms, and the code. Hope she doesnt find out Ive been talking about her like this. Had a local garage check it out and they could not find any issues. From what I understood they are only going by OBD diagnostics. I wish you would have tried us for the parts for your repair. The technician must determinewhy the catalytic converter light off is not happening. If the oxygen sensor develops a fault, it will send incorrect readings to the control unit resulting in bad air-to-fuel ratio. The vehicle identification number tells you if your car is affected. I pretty much went through the whole engine timing belt, water pump, cluth, ect. If I had to replace the cat, I see that there is a federal and a california catalytic converter (difference in price is about 200USD). Poor acceleration One of the more common codes we see on the Subaru, is P0420 CatalyticConverter Efficiency Below Threshold. Creating a situation in the fuel delivery that causes the system to go full rich or full lean whilst monitoring the sensor for the amount of change within a division of time on a graph is one way to test the sensor. again things were fine (coincidentally? The catalytic converter was allegedly replaced at a Subaru dealership under recall. The catalytic converter was allegedly replaced at a Subaru dealership under recall. My 2015 only has 110,000 Kms (80,000 miles) and I have only ever put in premium gas and always do premium oil changes every 5000 Kms. Which of these am I looking for if it is the cat that needs replacing?? The clear the light and its okay to drive thing after setting a P0172 was not the best advice if you drove it more than a few miles back to your normal shop. Tightened cap againlight went off after three short trips. Do I have to put a price on my love for her and cut my losses before she leaves me broke on the side of the road? He looked at the sensors and thought the crank shaft sensor was loose but the code came back. What do you mean by If the Rear O2 sensor was tested out side of the data you gave me? The code is back now, P0420 again. 2)**What is the life expectancy on the genuine Subaru part? Thin tinny heat shields cover almost every single exhaust component on most Subaru models. I find this hard to believe and too much of a coincidance that this occurred following our service. We would suggest the logic update first as its a lot of money. With a noticeable loss of performance, high fuel consumption and more harmful emissions at the tailpipe, a defective catalytic converter should definitely be considered. This is the only place on the web where I found a reference to my issue! Thanks for reading. Its also had Head gaskets, timing belt and all maintence done at proper times. I cant think of any other I would rather be in if I was ever in a Head on accident or out in the snow. Hello, Justin, thank you for some terrific info you have provided on this site. Appreciate it! Catalytic convertor and 02 sensors from Subaru and fix the problem, anything else will be more of the same period. Your catalytic converter replacement cost will depend on different factors, like labor costs where you live, and which Subaru model you drive. With the tool connected, turn on the ignition. Takata Airbag Inflator Recall. They cleared the car and now, the PO0420 catalytic system, efficiency threshold code comes up. The 420 code and how it is running will have no correlation 99.9% of the time. Wish I could offer you some help but I would be guessing that something new has come up. Is the Catalytic Convertor a Factory Subaru Part as well? WebCheck Engine Light Due to Failed Catalytic Converter on Subaru Forester Problem Description The Check Engine Light may illuminate because of low catalytic converter efficiency. Saab owners may contact the Saab Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-955-9007. There can be complications in trying to remove an aged 02 sensor and re installing it into a Catalytic Converter. Its possible there is still an Exhaust leak, but I wouldnt know that to be accurate unless I see it. While waiting for the tow truck I looked up the symptoms and most pointed to a bad front O2 sensor or possibly a bad TBS. Thanks for the info. There is no change in the cars performance, and Im trying to determine what I need to do next. If so, how? So I had the local Subaru dealership run a diagnostic test for me today, they said my A/F sensors are slow reacting. Any ideas? If the Cat is restricted with Carbon, that carbon will prevent the light off temperature from being realized, if the carbon can be cleaned the Catalyst may return to the light of stage. Thanks for your reply Justin. Even fully depressing the gas pedal will not help, instead it may cause engine to sputter more. Air bags. WebShop 2022 Subaru Outback Base Catalytic Converter (Front). Its not a fuel ratio thing, not sure why that would come up? Most diagnostic devices then ask for some information about the vehicle. I guess Ill look into testing the O2 sensors first. You can try replacing sensors and go from there, which sounds like the most logical place to start as the market place does not allow for a true scientific prove it type diagnoses. Buy an O.E. Hi, Justin, thank you for info you have provided on this site. Helps your vehicle emit harmless gases Direct OEM replacement. I have a 2005 Subaru Legacy with 112,000 miles and recently my check engine light came on. So i decided to switch back to premium which I used to use in the past. reads: P0420 Catalyst Information Below Threshold I didnt know the converters were made to only last that long. Id like to get the issue diagnosed properly and was wondering what it would cost for the initial check by AWD Service? Recall date. The failed convertor wont do anything to leave you stranded, or do damage by waiting to repair it other than the air quality which is why its there in the first place. In my experience an aftermarket Cat may last one year if it works at all. Justin, Thanks for getting back to me. WebIf you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). I have a 2009 Outback here in NC. Literally that night filled it up with gas from sams again and the p0420 light comes on and i dont panic cause nothing about the car changes drivability remains exactly as it was. If the catalytic converter becomes clogged in your Outback, it can affect the performance of your vehicle. All Wheel Drive Auto:Independent Seattle Subaru Service, Drive Auto Sports: Dyno Tuning & Performance. That inspection indicated there were no concerns, other than a suggestion to replace the timing belt, which has been done. Ive been told by the dealer it is the CAT. After 2 resets and air out the car on the hwy with 91 octane and fuel injector cleanerthe code hasnt popped back up (knock on wood). Your Subaru Forester leaves the factory with a catalytic converter. Is this a reasonable thing to do? Thats why no one really wants to tell you if you should drive it, a good idea is having your own code scanner and checking it your self here and there until you can budget for repairs if you choose to do them. Any chance a remaining leak could be the root cause of this code? Or you can just try stuff, like 02 sensors, super unleaded, getting the exhaust hot and hope for the best. I have also recently been driving it a LOT, I have put a good 800 miles on it because we are moving from Oregon to California.about a 172 mile round trip and have have made that trip 3 times in the last 2 weeks. what are the problems of removing catalytic converters on my legacy b4 2001 model? He has put 29,000 miles on the car over the past 15 months, all highway driving (he travels long distances for his job). The vehicle identification number tells you if your car is affected. Since then I get at random times, can be a couple of days to a couple of weeks before getting the P0420 code up (this will reset straight away eveytime) It tends to come on when you just cruise along at a steady speed. FCFE2. There is 7166 miles on this allegedly new catalytic converter. Being Memorial Day the only thing I could do myself was tighten the gas cap. (he determined that it wasnt a o2 sensor problem), I dont know which one it wasbut it workedno P0420 code for the last 3 weeks.I was really stressed out after forking out 1700 for a HG change and some other sensors that were leaking oiland then a potential $1500 Cat change. I've heard they can get up to $1000 for the metals in Toyota cats. exhaust cover '06my. I hope this helps and they get to the bottom of it for you. Are there some other signs that the CAT has failed? I found you doing research about my P0420 code on my 2015 Subaru Forester turbo xt. If the cat is tested and fails the test than it needs to be replaced, if how ever it reaches light off and still sets the code maybe its a candidate for the re programming as a first step. Reading out the fault codes using a diagnostic device is relatively reliable. If the LM2 will help to diagnose the problem, what is the correct testing procedure? To get an OE CAT do I get it from a subaru dealer or is there a place online I can go? I have a 2008 Outback with approx. HGs replaced at 140K by Subaru. They say its not Subarish! On a modern vehicle you are asking for trouble if you dont use a memory maintainer tool when disconnecting the battery. Learn about our recall process. Last fall, the car went through 90,000 mile maintenance OK at the dealer. What I also noticed is now is that my temperature gauge is not working. FCFE2. After driving the vehicle hard for a bit it may go away, but you most likely had a on its way out Catalyst and now that the ECM is merely looking at pass fail data in a narrow way its easy to spot the issue. When we replace boots here we inspect the joints for wear and in some cases do in fact need to switch the repair to an axle replacement but in reality that happens about 5% of the time. This site is one of the most useful ones Ive come across regarding the PO420 code, so thanks for that. Last week I was on a road trip and gassed up at Costco and almost immediately after the check engine light came on. I have changed both O2 sensors. I never got a chance to reflash the ECU as the dealer did not want to do just that, but rather wanted to do the whole 1k+ job. The head gasket leak on your Subaru needs to be repaired, most likely the convertor and sensors as well. Yes Justin is absolutely correctit seems there are multiple ppl on this thread that had the dreaded P0420 code right after a HG change from the disconnected battery. The only way to cut down on this is to put more precious metal in the Catalyst which would greatly raise the price. What I am trying to explain to you is that just because a part was replaced in the past does not mean that its ok today. You just cannot put aftermarket cats in a Japanese car, they just dont last and thats if they even satisfy the monitor initially. My mechanic thought perhaps the wiring on the O2 sensor was a little bit too close to the heated parts of the engine and tinkered it a bit by tying it away from the heat. For this test, all you need is a pressure gauge with its hose fitting. New or recent doesnt always mean its ok, it needs to be tested to know if its good. Hi Justin, I think your saying it has an intermittent P0420 code which can be common if the Convertor doesnt reach light off but another time does so it satisfies the Ecm Catalyst monitors that cycle. Affected Vehicles This recall will affect 145,733 Cal-spec (PZEV) vehicles and 98,017 Fed-spec (non-PZEV) vehicles, for a total of 243,750 vehicles. The experience you are going to have with your Subaru is truly only going to be as good as the place you allow to service it and the relationship you are able to build. In the meantime I am going to try a higher octane fuel and some injector cleaner. The muffler shop says there are 4 cat conv (2 at engine, two inline mid exhaust). They probably used non subaru gaskets and its possible they didnt do the whole tighten loosen step. If the temperature difference is higher than 10 degrees Celsius or 50 degrees Fahrenheit, then most likely the catalytic converter is clogged. Thats apparently what Subaru owners say? 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