Sorry! Arnold Mathias Christophe Louis Carl, I've checked Wirnsberger's Standard Directory of Proof Marks as well as those listed at Cornell Publications, and came up empty handed. Quality: Our mission is to preserve old firearms catalogs at a reasonable price before they are all gone, but our reprints are NOT forgeries of originals, they are exact copies of the originals but not necessarily the exact size or on the original paper or with the original binding. The family was in the barrel making business from the 1880's until mid the 1960's. http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies d/a delcour dupont gb.htm This is Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont and his son Oscar, 1924. Category:Firearm manufacturers of Belgium - Wikipedia Category:Firearm manufacturers of Belgium Help Belgium portal Aggregate of articles pertaining to firearms manufacturers in Belgium . Bultot Jean 7. . Mark, I'm unclear what the "leg in a circle" looks like; ditto the "star over the k". Nowadays these firearms are mostly used for hunting or kept at home for self-defence. Bores are excellent. The tubes were made by the talented Belgian mechanic Joseph Cap. Variant of the one above, used for some month in 1894 and sometimes later on Not for ball, indicates that the barrel has choke. This was the result of John M. Browning's lasting relationship with Fabrique Nationale, in . Any idea how to date it? Counet Philippe M Mecar (4 P) Pages in category "Firearm manufacturers of Belgium" << /Length 5 0 R /Filter /FlateDecode >> Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a shotgun? The numbers 138 G(looks like a 1) are under the proof mark. Early double barrel hammer shotgun. Stocks are good with some field wear. But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one cant get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one cant find the inspectors mark. One of the better known makers of Belgian Guns during the "Golden Age" of Lige was Jules Bury, arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. Around the 1880s, Damascus barrels became an object of the past. This one was engraved by Jules Eugne Schoffeniels. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, Brandon, but I've been out of the country w/o internet access. Andr M.J. Circa 1880's. Eventually, the company developed the Savage Model 99, a classic hunting rifle the company had produced for nearly 100 years. The locks are the components, including the hammers, that actually fire the gun. Courard SCH or EC is abbreviations of the powder: SCH meaning Schultze. Hammers function properly. Their shotguns were made in 12, 16, and 20 gauge. Belgian Liege gunmakers of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces of his Stock has a repaired crack behindlocks. they were made + or - 1900 to 1930's. Colot I have two sets of wood handles and artillery holster with marks of 7 ; 44; 105C. Good overall condition. Chaumont M.J. Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. into which each separate book is dealing with a small portion of the whole, and that is We provide antiqueguns prices and pictures of each antique gun we sell. Charlier Ch. Nessonvaux is short drive outside of Liege. %PDF-1.3 The next guns carrying the Browning name were manufactured in Belgium. Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. Dallas, Donald. Stocks are finely figured walnut with checkered butt. Provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns, since 1924 reserved for smooth bore barrels. Double made in the mid 1890's. % The makers mark was in use for over a hundred years. Counet - Genot The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. Beuret Frres Forearm has a chip. Be sure to bookmark our, 7626 Westheimer @ Voss, Houston, Texas 77063, Percussion Double 10 Gauge by Mortimer (AL7165), Belgian Percussion Double 10 Gauge (AS52), English Double 12 Gauge Pinfire by Harvey (AL7164), Percussion Double 12 Gauge by Perkins (AS81), Belgian Percussion 16 Gauge Side by Side (AS172), Vicente Arizmendi Double 16 Gauge (AS509), English Sidelock Double 10 Gauge by Manton (AS137), Belgian Side by Side Hammer 16 Gauge (AS502). . The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. M855 Green Tip, Didn't find what you were looking for? The same stamp but smaller is found on Flobert guns, selfloading pistols with a excess proof pressure of 50%, on barrels of top break guns for Flobert or revolvers cartridges an excess pressure of 30% and or revolvers which are proofed with 30-50% excess loads. so that means it is for sure a 12 gauge? He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. No maker's name at all. Action works properly. It has a thick patina all over except the underside of the barrel and the ramrod is thick enough to beat a mule to death with. Smokeless powder proof of military rifles until 1903, thereafter indicates nitro proof for all types of arms. Category: Boxlocks. It's complete. Debouxthay was a gunmaker in Liege, Belgium, active at least from 1888-1904. Good overall condition. American Gunsmiths by Sellers, and American Gun Makers by Gluckman & Satterlee list American makers. William Moore 7 Co. I picked this up a few years ago in the bargain bin at a gun shop. A fantastic 10 gauge sidelock from a quality manufacturer. Berleur Michel Handsome English Sidelock double with hammers. Liege, Belgium has been a gunmaking center for centuries. Thomas Jefferson. Unmarked as most are. Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Overall length is 48". Good overall condition. Subcategories This category has only the following subcategory. Cachoir If there is no Lion over PV, the gun was NOT proved for smokeless powder. Comblain On this page, once you scroll past the patent stuff, you'll find a gun very much like yours. Error, no Advert ID set! Applied to all guns made but not proofed in Belgium - sent to an other country proof facilities. Metal has a brown patina. Order this book online and pay it through Browning firearms have been traditionally made in locations world-wide. The English Goldsmiths Marks from 1400 to 1900 ~ 11000 Makers Marks and Hallmarks from ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, AND IRELAND ~ RARE Reference Book For Collectors Over 700 pages, Collectors and dealers will by the aid of this work be enabled to locate and fix the date of much English, Scottish and Irish plate, and to identify many marks which have been Hi, Jeremy. Coquilhat Aim 13. It has punched on one side of barrel 17.2, on the other side punched JC, EL ,pinfire symbol, K and crown on its top, E LG little crown under them in oval.Please help me to get the closest identification for this nice firearm. English sidelock with hammers by Manton. B. Tradename on guns made in Belgium, c.1900. http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowl m/www/home. x\}WT_0qk E%Mp8@S36QG7=TFx,P?wU]4v>3}wc)0~_+. Stock is walnut and has some repairs at the wrist. Cowboy & Old Western History Items 2/3/2023 Bargain Basement 2/3/2023 Check our Services. Beau, I need help finding out more about this pistol.. leg in a circle star over the k in 3 places and a crown over jj and the name j. Cueruy and NR under the grip. The book presented below is the second of the series and is covering the gun makers whose names are in the D to F range of the alphabetical order. Hammers cock and function properly. Comblain H. J. 3 into Europe is unknown. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ]v8 >ZX 2Fu}) Serial number on tang is 2004. Paypal, Order The 12C in the diamond is the nominal bore diameter - again 12g - but in French - 'calibre 12'. is about 30 cm X 22 cm (11.80" X 8.60"). Scarce 10 gauge. Collectors Firearms, LLC. it was my grandfathers and has been in the family for a while. How does it open? Call Mick direct on 07970 239211 - Or dial 0044 7970 239211 if calling from outside the UK | MicksGuns343@gmail.com ArmsCollectors.com Collectable Firearms Forums Modern, antique and collectable firearms, questions answered, gun & militaria related items. insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. For other antique firearms, check out our antique handguns, antique long guns, and old ammo, tools & neat stuff. Stock has a chip near wrist, otherwise shows normal field wear. Barrels are nicely patterened damasucs measuring 30" choked modified. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Double gun shotguns - Side by Side shotguns, and over under shotguns - Including drillings, double barreled rifles, SxS double rifles, combination guns. GunID: 4746. Braekers Charles & Cie Belgian shotguns are still finely-made firearms and are considered some of the best to come out of Europe. Caliber 15mm, length 122cm. cardboard cover and the paper used for the printing was of the high glossy type and If you are interested in import, export, or wholesale purchase of shotguns, theres no better place than AmmoTerra to find a buyer or supplier of military equipment. Until 1894, stamped in .02mm graduations, then in 0.1mm steps, Degree of choke, in this case 0.7mm constriction. How do I price this piece? In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers' Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. Underside of barrels have French proof marks. The crown R and star P stamped on the barrel, receiver, and cylinder. Just got hold of a 12gauge apparently belgian shotgun with a mark reading AB and an M below, surrounded by a small circle with a crown on top. It could be almost anything: an English Greener, which would have Birmingham, England, proof marks, or it could be a double of dubious origin. arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. However, there are more proof marks that I cannot find on the internet. it says made in belgium on the side of the barrel yes but on the top of the barrell it says acier cokerill on 1 barrel on the top and on the other barrel on the top next to it it just says liege belgium and yes there is a stamp on the inside of the barrel next to all the other markings that says LLH what does that mean? The first type of testing we will study is the Proof Test. Double Barrel Shotgun. The Lion Rampant over PV was applied to the Optional Supplementary Smokeless proof for shotguns in 1898. 2 On barrel locking system or chamber if the lumps are part of the barrel after final black powder proof, Preliminary proof for unfinished barrels, and indicated barrels had not been weakened after proof by breeching, Used on muzzle loaders, Bore diameter in millimeters. Bauduin Charles Good overall condition. Damascus barrels are 30" and marked "Charles William Richardson A & N CSL London". The idea behind such a test is to verify the strength of the barrel, breech and firing system of a firearm by deliberately firing an over-pressured cartridge. All written content, illustrations, and photography are unique to this website (unless where indicated) and not for reuse/reproduction in any form. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. Makers - Darne, Merkel, Arrieta, Beretta, Browning, Holland, Purdey, Richards, Bernardelli, Parker, Fox, LC Smith, and most other double barreled shotgun, gun and double rifle makers. Today, Belgian firearms designer Francotte builds famed double barreled shotguns and fine rifles. Thank y'all for your help ahead of time! Thanks Brandon. Inspectors mark, normally these are kept secret. I will have to upload some pictures later when I get to my computer. In 1899 alone, the U.S. firms of Hartley & Graham and Simmons Hardware bought 90,000 shotguns, rifles, and handguns from Liege gunmakers. Quite old. Since 1924 used on all rifled arms. To my knowledge, there isn't a book out that covers European proof marks: If someone knows about such a book, please add a comment with that information. It is a 12 gauge with 70mm = 2 3/4" chambers. American gun makers including Supplement of AMerican gun makers Item Preview remove-circle Share or Embed This Item. Comblain - Dorther Hubert Shotgun Serial #1656 - early production made 1903-1939 - by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium with Browning patent dates The "1136" might be the serial number for that pair of pistols. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Flintlock fowling pieces and rifles were made for the Northwest Indian trade until the early twentieth century; so, too, percussion long guns for sale in Africa. Original Ithaca butt plate is not chipped or cracked. Receiver has approximately 75% original nickel plating. Midway USA sells a CO2 kit to unload both flint and percussion guns.Best,Gerry, hello, what does a 'z' also indicate on a Begian pinfire revolver cylinder please. L.C. Action works properly and hammers cock. Good overall condition. Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. Bettonville - Fontaine I know the bottom image. This continued for many decades. Marks visible are crown-over-U (final proof) and eagle-crown-over-S (smoothbore) and -W (choked). Bazin F.J. Lee Kennett did afine survey, "A History of Proof Marks: Gun Proof in Belgium," that waspublished in. The wood does not look ancient so I am guessing in the 1970s or so. I think it was made 1890 but not sure. Overall length is 43". 2 Hammerless 12 Gauge Parker Bros. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Bonzon & Arents & Cie That includes Belgium since making guns are big business there. Serial: 40593. 1, Six-Round, Double-Action Pinfire Revolver. And I have a photo taken at Winchester, TX with Maj. Thomas Doan during the Dusty March, July 1863, Dechard, TN. 8. . Boden Ray D, STOGERS, advertised them as being made for the AFRICAN tribes to hunt with because with them they would not be able to rebel against the BELGIAN rulers who had modern arms. I can't ID the 'RM', who was likely the barrel maker. Closset Louis - Remy Hubert Copyright 2023 All rights reserved. Winchester Firearms Browning Firearms Browning Firearms has created and manufactured firearms such as shotguns, rifles, rimfires, and pistols, along with many other gun-related accessories. Other than the diameter stamp, I don't see a 70mm stamp. COMPARE. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. Mark for voluntary treble temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels, Mark for voluntary double temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels. and BELGIUM had a glut of old, obsolete flint lock and percussion gun parts left over from years past. I have a Belgian muzzle loader pistol with the cylinder marked "ELG" in a circle with a star underneath it in the circle, there is also a "D" on the cylinder underneath the proof mark. Stocks have some field wear. The 16-in-a-circle indicates the nominal gauge of the shotgun and the 16/1 shows that the actual diameter of the bores was between .662" and .669". Colard Louis - Counet Lonard Chaineux J. Belgian Pinfire. Both come in the then very popular caliber 16. 4 0 obj Spesco was based in Atlanta, GA, and imported a variety of reproduction and modern guns in the 1960's and 70's.It would be a good idea to check that the rifle is unloaded. vast quantity of data to treat, the global work was parted in a series of publications, Marked Wm. Barrels are 33". Barrels are 30". CONTENTS INCLUDE Just let us know if you are disappointed. . The slot for the pin had to be welded up and a firing pin installed.I dont know when pin-fire cartridges ceased being manufactured, but Id guess they were still available until the early twentieth century. Coleye M. N. Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2. Each gunmaker is presented with the maximum Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel smoothbore guns in 1889, the majority for export. Chambers are 2 3/4". 254.541.2985 John Hille, john@jhille.com. Good overall condition. Engraving on lock and hamer are faint. Ithaca Gun Company: One of America's most successful gun makers. Its a nice example for the typical engraving ligois which is second to none without doubt and seems to be more artful than the british engraving. Hi Gerard and everyone! GI#: 102181883. Last edited on 20 February 2023, at 21:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_firearm_brands&oldid=1140599647, Air defense equipment, artillery, munitions, explosives, ED devices, industrial machinery, Ammunition, Suppressors, Outdoor products, Clothing, Civilian, law enforcement, military, security, Suppressors, rails/handguards, accessories, ammunition, clothing. Is there a 70mm stamp on the extractor blade faces? Mechanicsburg, PA: Stackpole Books, 2008. Collings Hadelin production. Each gun maker is presented with the maximum of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most . Bayet Frres Hello, I have two ELG 1136 Belgian Percussion Dueling pistols with a 6 inch barrel. Bores are excellent. Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! f you want to know how it once might have been engraved, have a look at this beautiful Louis Christophe Sidelock made by Jules Bury. Stocks are good with minor nicks and dings. Rich engraved. This little sixteen is a fine example for the Belgian craftsmenship and will be even today a perfect gun for upland hunting. 3 was 33 grains = 3 Dram Equivalent Bulk Smokeless powder and was introduced into the U.S. of A. in 1904. If not, consider it loaded and potentially dangerous. As I've said, I'm not an expert. (Not safe to shoot with modern shells.) Bernard Emile & Cie Metal has a grey patina. Damascus barrels are 30". But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one can't get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one can't find the inspectors mark. gfk0W2|Z#C7xA5 2`f)Hj'[iZWMU=|J-T `)Mtex=]m$azBbk>$QPB gTb0nnPTbj\uD`.3;7 ;U}LuB+2aki!Ld1QNUwr$Oaj9,U1Oe~N2u]6;&?a'LOe3 NIIS/\4fFIGXT[,(rN]3"!2(4YBd^VUY:;jWCJ^f"X.2X:l\d>|D}#&Ofw`Rv|$6&)M Consignment Sale Information. My best guess is that it's a maker's mark, but of course I could be wrong. CLIMAS Tradename used by J. Stevens Arms Co. on guns. The blue is rough but the action works. The 1KG 545 is the barrel weight in grams. Sorry for my delay in responding: I've been OOT and off-line for two weeks. No small part of the Belgians' remarkableability to meet the demands of a wide variety of firms trading all over the world was their willingness to go on producing type of guns that were obsolete. The "D.D. Handguns, shotguns, machine guns, battle rifles Seekins Precision Glen Seekins Seekins Precision United States Civilian S&T Motiv S&T Holdings Co Ltd South Korea Military S&W Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson Smith & Wesson: United States Various: Savage Arthur Savage Savage Arms: United States SCCY SCCY Firearms: United States Seraphim Armoury . Action works properly. These marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. "Cueruy" could be the maker. Bodson TH. Nr. Belgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 preBelgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 pre 1898 fine old Belgium imported exposed hammer shotgun, Leige proofed, floral engraved receiver showing some; FINE 19C. Very fine sidelock double with 34 Damascus barrels. All iron construction with skeleton type stock. We present shotguns with a wide variety of features, technical characteristics, and prices from the worlds best companies, such as Chiappo, Italy; Tar Ideal Concept LTD, Israel and the leader of Chinese gun-industry - China North Industries Corp. (NORINCO). Fair overall condition. Christophe & Montigny The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. Original British Martini-Henry Rifle Extractor Mk IV From $34.95 Free Domestic Shipping on orders $300+ Hassle Free 30 Day Return Period 100% Safe Secure Checkout Guaranteed Authentic to the Historical Period Brancquaert Louis The The second J. Any maker's name on the rib between the barrels?Best,Gerry, 1902 a greener twobarrel it has hh on botten of barrel what do i have. Any info will help. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. Locks are marked Charles Daly and are scroll engraved. Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheuxs 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges.Dating pin-fire guns: the 1835 date of Lefaucheuxs invention gives us a convenient terminus a quo: if the pin-fire wasnt invented until 1835, any pin-fire gun cannot be earlier than 1835. Would that appear at this location on the piece?What Im attempting to do, is get this pistol appraised; thus the research to discover all the markings. By Alain Daubresse. 7626 Westheimer @ Voss, Houston, Texas 77063. Colleye Henri Joseph There's no indication of gauge. Damascus barrels are 28". Very good overall condition. For sale is a unique old Damascus steel Very large double barrel 10 ga shot gun. Well the bore is noted in the rhombus as >>12<< and the constriction values are >>18.2/18.2<< & >>17.3/18.2<< so with those it has to be a 12 bore. The gun was restocked with a new buttstock. Side by side with 28" damascus barrels and hammers. Walnut stocks are good with some field wear. This gun weighs 13.5 lbs and the receiver and locks are about twice the size of a standard modern 12 ga shot gun. I also looked at other European proof marks but didn't find the one you mention: compare http://www.cornellpubs.com/Catalog/proof-marks-intl.pdf. A number of book by Dr. James Whisker and various co-authors list Amercian makers by specific region. Some older foreign manufactured firearms, such as pistols . the provided pictures contain all the markings on the gun . Moore & Co. on both sides. Wish I could be more helpful! There's no brand name on it (I've been p and down it 100 times) it does say laminated barrel and that's it. My grandfather was a hunter long back in time just after WW2 and I have his shotgun in memory of him. I occasionally found two typical examples with a gunmaker friend nearby. On top between the barrels "CANONS ACIER GARANTI". Length of chamber over diameter of chamber. Shouldn't be hard to find! Between 1847-1952 the stamp with the letter F-J C was used in the same purpose. presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are Seller: Jacob Hranowskyj. Damascus barrels are 29". Damascus barrels are 31". Scarce 8 gauge side by side made in Belgium during the 1870's. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . Bertrand Joseph I've owned two Belgian side by sides and two Browning Superposed, so I guess I can say that I have some acquaintance withtwentieth centuryones, but unlike my posts on antique English shotguns I don't have an antique Belgian one at hand to describe. listed in alphabetical order. $1,750.00. He received his technical training in Soest and then in Warstein. Pictures would help! They differ tremendously in style and shape, and the advice given above by 4575wcf is good. Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Aug 26, 2020 #3 Here ya go! Fabrique Nationale FN TPS (Tactical Police Shotgun) Pump-Action Shotgun 13 1992 Dynamit-Nobel Panzerfaust 3 Single-Shot Disposable Anti-tank Rocket Launcher 14 1990 Fabrique Nationale FN P90 Submachine Gun (SMG) / Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) 15 1989 MO-120 RT-61 (Mortier 120mm Raye Tracte Modele F1) Towed Rifled Heavy Mortar-Gun 16 1987 I do n't see a 70mm stamp on the extractor blade faces a hundred years were looking for and. 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